Comments on: The Middle Verse of the Torah http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2007/10/23/the-middle-verse-of-the-torah/ Wed, 10 Mar 2010 05:33:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Avrohom http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2007/10/23/the-middle-verse-of-the-torah/comment-page-1/#comment-1493 Avrohom Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:29:24 +0000 http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2007/10/23/the-middle-verse-of-the-torah/#comment-1493 oh, one more thing about the dream, the aitz chayim were not above the klaf but rather the klaf was level with the aitz chayim. This only happens when it is backwards (though I did not particularly notice it being backward). Could this relate to "kuzoo bimokhsooz kuzoo" on the back of the mezuza and how those leters come "after" the "Hashem Elokainu Hashem" of the Shema on the other side? I would still need to know the exact words that were encircled to decipher the letters which "follow" those words. It would seem that maybe it refers to the middle 'words' of the Torah, but which middle one's? There are several. It can't be dorosh dorash since there would not be the long middle word there, but only the 2 outside red circled words (the dream showed a long middle word and 2 shorter surrounding words). We can rule that out, it seems. But then I also don't see the pattern of a long word surrounded by 2 shorter words if you use 8:15 El Yesod. What could it mean then? I also did not realize that today was Shabbos Shekolim where we actually read 2 Torah's. I was not able to go to shule today but would have made a greater effort if I had realized this earlier! How would the red circles relate to the Shekels and to the middle of the Torah, which was what I understood while in the dream? Also can you point to a source or chart that shows the letter and word and verse counts and the exact middle of the Torah according to various traditions and also computerized counting? I just wanted to examine all the views in one chart, if possible. Thank you so much! Maybe one of you can see a pattern or symbol here? I am really asking Hashem but maybe He will show you something since this is where I came to do the "dorosh dorash" of this. Thanks! Sholom to you. Avrohom oh, one more thing about the dream, the aitz chayim were not above the klaf but rather the klaf was level with the aitz chayim. This only happens when it is backwards (though I did not particularly notice it being backward).

Could this relate to “kuzoo bimokhsooz kuzoo” on the back of the mezuza and how those leters come “after” the “Hashem Elokainu Hashem” of the Shema on the other side? I would still need to know the exact words that were encircled to decipher the letters which “follow” those words. It would seem that maybe it refers to the middle ‘words’ of the Torah, but which middle one’s? There are several. It can’t be dorosh dorash since there would not be the long middle word there, but only the 2 outside red circled words (the dream showed a long middle word and 2 shorter surrounding words). We can rule that out, it seems. But then I also don’t see the pattern of a long word surrounded by 2 shorter words if you use 8:15 El Yesod. What could it mean then?

I also did not realize that today was Shabbos Shekolim where we actually read 2 Torah’s. I was not able to go to shule today but would have made a greater effort if I had realized this earlier! How would the red circles relate to the Shekels and to the middle of the Torah, which was what I understood while in the dream?

Also can you point to a source or chart that shows the letter and word and verse counts and the exact middle of the Torah according to various traditions and also computerized counting? I just wanted to examine all the views in one chart, if possible. Thank you so much!

Maybe one of you can see a pattern or symbol here? I am really asking Hashem but maybe He will show you something since this is where I came to do the “dorosh dorash” of this.

Thanks! Sholom to you. Avrohom

]]> By: Avrohom http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2007/10/23/the-middle-verse-of-the-torah/comment-page-1/#comment-1489 Avrohom Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:21:31 +0000 http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2007/10/23/the-middle-verse-of-the-torah/#comment-1489 I wonder if any of you have ever asked Hashem what it all means? Wouldn't He know, being God and all that? I came to this by having a dream about the middle of the Torah. I saw 2 Torah's next to each other with red circles around what I understood to be the exact middle of the Torah. There was a long circle and next to it 2 smaller circles. I did not see the letters or words but only the outline of the red circles, which I understood in the dream to be referring to the middle (or heart?) of the Torah. Maybe one of you will tell me what that means and maybe Hashem will speak through you. It is shayich. Sholom to you. Avrohom I wonder if any of you have ever asked Hashem what it all means? Wouldn’t He know, being God and all that? I came to this by having a dream about the middle of the Torah. I saw 2 Torah’s next to each other with red circles around what I understood to be the exact middle of the Torah. There was a long circle and next to it 2 smaller circles. I did not see the letters or words but only the outline of the red circles, which I understood in the dream to be referring to the middle (or heart?) of the Torah. Maybe one of you will tell me what that means and maybe Hashem will speak through you. It is shayich. Sholom to you. Avrohom

]]> By: Reuven Wolfeld http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2007/10/23/the-middle-verse-of-the-torah/comment-page-1/#comment-1428 Reuven Wolfeld Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:21:31 +0000 http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2007/10/23/the-middle-verse-of-the-torah/#comment-1428 Dear Menachem Mendel, I have, on my own, recently discovered the letter at the exact middle of the Torah. As I am sure you are well aware, there are 5846 p’sukim in the Torah. Using the computer and programs I wrote I found that the middle letter of the whole Torah is an aleph. It is found in the next to the last word in Vayikra 8:28. The last word of this p’suk and the first five of the next (6 words in total) total 1118, which is the same as the lead p’suk of the Shema. Also they have the same number of words, 6, and the same number of letters, 25. The middle two words of the Torah are found in Vayikra 8:15. They are the words “el yesod” (the 6th and 5th words from the end of the p’suk). Their gematria is 111 = gematria of the word aleph. The four words to their right have roshei teivos which spell out Hashem’s name. I would appreciate your feedback. Sincerely, Reuven Wolfeld Dear Menachem Mendel,

I have, on my own, recently discovered the letter at the exact middle of the Torah.

As I am sure you are well aware, there are 5846 p’sukim in the Torah. Using the computer and programs I wrote I found that the middle letter of the whole Torah is an aleph. It is found in the next to the last word in Vayikra 8:28. The last word of this p’suk and the first five of the next (6 words in total) total 1118, which is the same as the lead p’suk of the Shema. Also they have the same number of words, 6, and the same number of letters, 25.

The middle two words of the Torah are found in Vayikra 8:15. They are the words “el yesod” (the 6th and 5th words from the end of the p’suk). Their gematria is 111 = gematria of the word aleph. The four words to their right have roshei teivos which spell out Hashem’s name.

I would appreciate your feedback.

Sincerely,

Reuven Wolfeld

]]> By: ephraim http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2007/10/23/the-middle-verse-of-the-torah/comment-page-1/#comment-944 ephraim Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:17:32 +0000 http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2007/10/23/the-middle-verse-of-the-torah/#comment-944 Yosef Ofer has a section on Middle VErses in his book on the babylonian masorah Yosef Ofer has a section on Middle VErses in his book on the babylonian masorah

]]> By: JoelNothman.com » Abraham in discourse http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2007/10/23/the-middle-verse-of-the-torah/comment-page-1/#comment-224 JoelNothman.com » Abraham in discourse Thu, 08 Nov 2007 13:24:28 +0000 http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2007/10/23/the-middle-verse-of-the-torah/#comment-224 [...] century or so, although there were certainly traditions regarding them before. See for instance Kiddushin 30a and other sources that disagree on the middle verse or count of verses in the bible in comparison to each other and [...] [...] century or so, although there were certainly traditions regarding them before. See for instance Kiddushin 30a and other sources that disagree on the middle verse or count of verses in the bible in comparison to each other and [...]

]]> By: The Artscroll English vs. Hebrew Talmud http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2007/10/23/the-middle-verse-of-the-torah/comment-page-1/#comment-216 The Artscroll English vs. Hebrew Talmud Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:16:11 +0000 http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2007/10/23/the-middle-verse-of-the-torah/#comment-216 [...] I decided to do a little comparison regarding the bottom of Kiddushin 30a, discussed partially here, and was surprised at the scope difference between them. A quick summary of the bottom half of this [...] [...] I decided to do a little comparison regarding the bottom of Kiddushin 30a, discussed partially here, and was surprised at the scope difference between them. A quick summary of the bottom half of this [...]

]]> By: Menachem Mendel http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2007/10/23/the-middle-verse-of-the-torah/comment-page-1/#comment-207 Menachem Mendel Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:27:44 +0000 http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2007/10/23/the-middle-verse-of-the-torah/#comment-207 I think that you are referring to <a href="http://www.torah-code.org/controversy/cohen_codes_1.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> article. I'll add it. Thanks. I think that you are referring to this article. I’ll add it. Thanks.

]]> By: ephraim http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2007/10/23/the-middle-verse-of-the-torah/comment-page-1/#comment-206 ephraim Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:06:13 +0000 http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2007/10/23/the-middle-verse-of-the-torah/#comment-206 Prof. Cohen has another article online where he specifically attacks some of the theories put out regarding the middle verse dilemma. Also, I think Gil Student has a little piece, which is basically the apologetic view denounced by Prof Cohen. Prof. Cohen has another article online where he specifically attacks some of the theories put out regarding the middle verse dilemma.

Also, I think Gil Student has a little piece, which is basically the apologetic view denounced by Prof Cohen.

]]> By: More on the text of the Tanakh http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2007/10/23/the-middle-verse-of-the-torah/comment-page-1/#comment-205 More on the text of the Tanakh Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:10:56 +0000 http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2007/10/23/the-middle-verse-of-the-torah/#comment-205 [...] the sources I cited at the end of this post, I forgot to mention two important articles that are available [...] [...] the sources I cited at the end of this post, I forgot to mention two important articles that are available [...]

]]> By: Menachem Mendel http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2007/10/23/the-middle-verse-of-the-torah/comment-page-1/#comment-204 Menachem Mendel Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:15:00 +0000 http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2007/10/23/the-middle-verse-of-the-torah/#comment-204 Thanks. JTS has just started to get Hakira so I'll look for it. Thanks. JTS has just started to get Hakira so I’ll look for it.

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