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		<title>By: Mike Koplow</title>
		<link>http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2008/11/13/the-bagel/comment-page-1/#comment-1273</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Koplow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies to Gershon. First, for calling you &quot;Gershom&quot; (a fine name, as good as &quot;Gershon,&quot; but not your name). Second, for the tone of my note. I stand by the substance of what I wrote, but my guideline is that you shouldn&#039;t write to someone in a way that you wouldn&#039;t speak to them in person. I failed to follow that guideline, and apologize for my tone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies to Gershon. First, for calling you &#8220;Gershom&#8221; (a fine name, as good as &#8220;Gershon,&#8221; but not your name). Second, for the tone of my note. I stand by the substance of what I wrote, but my guideline is that you shouldn&#8217;t write to someone in a way that you wouldn&#8217;t speak to them in person. I failed to follow that guideline, and apologize for my tone.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Koplow</title>
		<link>http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2008/11/13/the-bagel/comment-page-1/#comment-1272</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Koplow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gershom,

When I see something like &quot;that would be hilarious if it weren&#039;t so sad,&quot; I assume the author is more interested in being condescending than in actual persuasion. I apologize if I&#039;ve misjudged you.

Like you, I made a midlife decision to go Ortho. Unlike you (I glanced at your blog), I don&#039;t think this automatically makes me a &quot;baal teshuvah.&quot;

You write, &quot;The question is pretty simple: if your purpose for being here isn’t to serve Hashem, what the heck are you doing here? If your purpose for being here is to serve Hashem, why wouldn’t you want to use the power of a bracha to help you on your mission?&quot;

There are people who &quot;give thanks on a nearly minute by minute basis&quot; and treat other people like garbage. There are people who are kind to others--if that sounds to goyish, we can say instead that they do chesed--who don&#039;t do a lot of berachot. Who are you to say that the latter don&#039;t serve God?

And who in the world are you to say to anyone &quot;What the heck are you doing here?&quot; just because they don&#039;t serve God in the way you approve of? How does a person attain such chutzpah? Do you think you&#039;re entitled to it because you&#039;re frum? Yasher koach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gershom,</p>
<p>When I see something like &#8220;that would be hilarious if it weren&#8217;t so sad,&#8221; I assume the author is more interested in being condescending than in actual persuasion. I apologize if I&#8217;ve misjudged you.</p>
<p>Like you, I made a midlife decision to go Ortho. Unlike you (I glanced at your blog), I don&#8217;t think this automatically makes me a &#8220;baal teshuvah.&#8221;</p>
<p>You write, &#8220;The question is pretty simple: if your purpose for being here isn’t to serve Hashem, what the heck are you doing here? If your purpose for being here is to serve Hashem, why wouldn’t you want to use the power of a bracha to help you on your mission?&#8221;</p>
<p>There are people who &#8220;give thanks on a nearly minute by minute basis&#8221; and treat other people like garbage. There are people who are kind to others&#8211;if that sounds to goyish, we can say instead that they do chesed&#8211;who don&#8217;t do a lot of berachot. Who are you to say that the latter don&#8217;t serve God?</p>
<p>And who in the world are you to say to anyone &#8220;What the heck are you doing here?&#8221; just because they don&#8217;t serve God in the way you approve of? How does a person attain such chutzpah? Do you think you&#8217;re entitled to it because you&#8217;re frum? Yasher koach.</p>
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		<title>By: Joachim Martillo</title>
		<link>http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2008/11/13/the-bagel/comment-page-1/#comment-1243</link>
		<dc:creator>Joachim Martillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I discussed this article on my blog at &lt;a href=&quot;http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2008/11/13/the-bagel/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Etymology of Bagel&lt;/a&gt; and back-linked to this blog entry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I discussed this article on my blog at <a href="http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2008/11/13/the-bagel/" rel="nofollow">The Etymology of Bagel</a> and back-linked to this blog entry.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Perkal</title>
		<link>http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2008/11/13/the-bagel/comment-page-1/#comment-1215</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Perkal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oy Veh- I did not intend to upset anyone. Who am I to judge anyone who thinks that how one ties their shoes is serving Hashem? Who am I to to judge someone who thinks that the idea of serving hashem is pretty simple? The bottom line is this is not place to have a  discussion on halacha. I will just go now and enjoy a bagel- even if I am not sure what the bracha is, and if I am indeed serving hashem. Harry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oy Veh- I did not intend to upset anyone. Who am I to judge anyone who thinks that how one ties their shoes is serving Hashem? Who am I to to judge someone who thinks that the idea of serving hashem is pretty simple? The bottom line is this is not place to have a  discussion on halacha. I will just go now and enjoy a bagel- even if I am not sure what the bracha is, and if I am indeed serving hashem. Harry</p>
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		<title>By: Gershon Yehuda</title>
		<link>http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2008/11/13/the-bagel/comment-page-1/#comment-1193</link>
		<dc:creator>Gershon Yehuda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Legal fetish?? That would be hilarious if it weren&#039;t so sad.

We MUST remember to give thanks on a nearly minute by minute basis and the brachas are an enormous aid for that. No one living in this world at this time has the ability to constantly feel grateful to Hashem without having praise on their lips at all times. 

The question is pretty simple: if your purpose for being here isn&#039;t to serve Hashem, what the heck are you doing here? If your purpose for being here is to serve Hashem, why wouldn&#039;t you want to use the power of a bracha to help you on your mission?

Seems pretty simple to me. 

By the way, I&#039;ve launched a blog of my own: btofmosheisland.blogspot.com  

It&#039;s not as nice as this site and I&#039;m not nearly as educated. Starting at 40, I&#039;m trying to become the Rabbi Akiva of our times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legal fetish?? That would be hilarious if it weren&#8217;t so sad.</p>
<p>We MUST remember to give thanks on a nearly minute by minute basis and the brachas are an enormous aid for that. No one living in this world at this time has the ability to constantly feel grateful to Hashem without having praise on their lips at all times. </p>
<p>The question is pretty simple: if your purpose for being here isn&#8217;t to serve Hashem, what the heck are you doing here? If your purpose for being here is to serve Hashem, why wouldn&#8217;t you want to use the power of a bracha to help you on your mission?</p>
<p>Seems pretty simple to me. </p>
<p>By the way, I&#8217;ve launched a blog of my own: btofmosheisland.blogspot.com  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not as nice as this site and I&#8217;m not nearly as educated. Starting at 40, I&#8217;m trying to become the Rabbi Akiva of our times.</p>
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		<title>By: jdub</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem I have with Harry&#039;s comment, is that it presents a false dichotomy:  Namely, that there are forests and there are trees, and that focusing on the trees is a &quot;legalistic fetish.&quot;

In order to appreciate the gestalt (i.e., the forest) of the world of halakha, which is actually intended to foster closeness to God, because halakha is how we approach God, one must first be mindful of the individual halakhot (i.e., the trees).  It&#039;s not an either/or, it&#039;s conjunctive.  

I asked my rabbi once about the halakhot of putting on, and tying one&#039; shoes.  I have trouble with minutiae like that (not to mention, I&#039;m usually half asleep when I put on shoes).  His response was that being conscious about the order of one&#039;s shoes helps focus one&#039;s mind on the totality of the halakha. That every aspect of our life is service to God and that we don&#039;t compartmentalize.  As an individual act, reciting a brakha, or putting on your right shoe first, but tying the left shoe first (which I never get right) is not about the individual act of spirituality, but to focus you on devotion to God.

But you have to know the halakha in order to get there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem I have with Harry&#8217;s comment, is that it presents a false dichotomy:  Namely, that there are forests and there are trees, and that focusing on the trees is a &#8220;legalistic fetish.&#8221;</p>
<p>In order to appreciate the gestalt (i.e., the forest) of the world of halakha, which is actually intended to foster closeness to God, because halakha is how we approach God, one must first be mindful of the individual halakhot (i.e., the trees).  It&#8217;s not an either/or, it&#8217;s conjunctive.  </p>
<p>I asked my rabbi once about the halakhot of putting on, and tying one&#8217; shoes.  I have trouble with minutiae like that (not to mention, I&#8217;m usually half asleep when I put on shoes).  His response was that being conscious about the order of one&#8217;s shoes helps focus one&#8217;s mind on the totality of the halakha. That every aspect of our life is service to God and that we don&#8217;t compartmentalize.  As an individual act, reciting a brakha, or putting on your right shoe first, but tying the left shoe first (which I never get right) is not about the individual act of spirituality, but to focus you on devotion to God.</p>
<p>But you have to know the halakha in order to get there.</p>
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		<title>By: Menachem Mendel</title>
		<link>http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2008/11/13/the-bagel/comment-page-1/#comment-1190</link>
		<dc:creator>Menachem Mendel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wondering which blessing to say on a bagel does not have to become a fetish, it can just be a simple question that one wants to answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wondering which blessing to say on a bagel does not have to become a fetish, it can just be a simple question that one wants to answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Perkal</title>
		<link>http://menachemmendel.net/blog/2008/11/13/the-bagel/comment-page-1/#comment-1189</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Perkal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize that the above post about which blessing to say on a bagel was written in part as jest ( I hope), it neverthless drives me crazy. Frankly, why should we care and waste time and energy as to what bracha to say on a bagel? I hardly think that God cares, or that it really brings us to closer to God or is &quot; spirtual&quot; in some way. It is one of the problems I have with halacha. It has become ( or always was) a legalistic fetish with an obsession on the most minor details. I just think it is not seeing the trees from the forest. A bagel is just a bagel regardless what blessing one says and the person saying the blessing would get just as much or as little out of it if it was motzi or mezanot. 

Harry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize that the above post about which blessing to say on a bagel was written in part as jest ( I hope), it neverthless drives me crazy. Frankly, why should we care and waste time and energy as to what bracha to say on a bagel? I hardly think that God cares, or that it really brings us to closer to God or is &#8221; spirtual&#8221; in some way. It is one of the problems I have with halacha. It has become ( or always was) a legalistic fetish with an obsession on the most minor details. I just think it is not seeing the trees from the forest. A bagel is just a bagel regardless what blessing one says and the person saying the blessing would get just as much or as little out of it if it was motzi or mezanot. </p>
<p>Harry</p>
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